I think I failed to copy the video. It is on YouTube. Look for it. It's hard to watch but it's important. Especially to some anti-Semitic women around here. And that still doesn't tell the whole story.
Thank you Hels, I understand why it's hard for you, it's ok, I know it's a very difficult time for you. Thinking of you and I wish I could ease your pain.
I did, Yael. It was quite easy to find. I have never doubted what happened, but I know some people do. The video is very respectfully made and probably all the more impactful for that. I just don't understand the silence of so many people who should be outraged.
Elaine, this video tells a lot but still not everything that happened here, it is impossible to contain it, it will take a long time, like with the stories of the holocaust, and we are still in the middle of it all. I also cannot understand the silence that exists about it, here in the blogs , you must have seen my arguments, people who pretend to be humanists, think it is right to ignore what happened to us, act out of great hypocrisy, sometimes out of ignorance and quite a bit of antisemitism.
Anyone who has experienced sexual violence knows from experience what this film is able to say with immense dignity and grief. It is nearly impossible to live through the experience of hatred in action or witness hatred in action and yet,
"... Anyone who watches this film can bear witness and we can take that pain and take that trauma and turn it into hope, turn it into commitment, turn it into conviction that we are not going to let this happen again ..."
Refusing to live in fear. Grateful for your voice, Yael.
" ... like with the stories of the holocaust, and we are still in the middle of it all ..."
a.m. In the real world I can handle everything, I was in danger of my life here, and still am, but in the parallel universe, in Blogland, it is very difficult for me to accept the double standards, the falsified values, the hypocrisy and the anti-Semitism, I felt so much sorrow and pain precisely here in Blogland. How to turn all the suffering into something else, it's still too early. In the meantime, we just need some expressions of understanding and compassion, also towards us. You do it, and thank you.
This is difficult to watch, I am half-way through it now...
Oct 7 was unalloyed Jew killing and systematic rape of women to humiliate. It's really comparable to the Nazis in its ideology and barbarism.
Today, there are efforts being made to make accusations about Hamas’ systematic rape on Oct 7 as though it were false or made-up. See Max Blumenthal of NYT = a truly illiterate man. This stands against the UN’s recent report on the subject which found evidence of lots of post-rape scenes but the victims were subsequently & systematically killed, hence no one survived to report the incidence.
I think we are seeing an "Oct 7 denialism" were the mass rapes are being treated as a "dispute" – despite widespread eyewitness accounts and confidential – which is part-and-parcel of the conspiracy trope that the Israeli military killed its own civilians. That, and to delegitimize the suffering and pain Israeli and foreign girls and woman endured on Oct 7.
Liam, I'm still trying to explain to myself what the mental mechanism is that allows people to ignore what happened here, someone here wrote to me in the comments when I tried to create some kind of conversation with her "You chose a side and I chose a side, and that's fine." This is how she tried to justify her ignoring of what happened here and the incessant slander of Israel. What is happening in the world now as a result of such attitudes is antisemitism on steroids. Mothers in blogland are proud of their daughters protesting at universities and shouting "from the river to the sea", what a terrible education.
YAel. I think the problem is either (1) ignorance of the conflict and/or (2) antisemitism.
People have absolutely no knowledge about the Israel-Palestinian conflict. I was talking to someone the other day and they were telling me about the 1967 borders and yet the 1967 border didn't have a "Palestinian state". It was between Egypt and Jordan. They know nothing about Hamas and how they're driven by religious zeal as opposed to any anti-colonial leftwingism. I've seen youtube videos of people going up to protesters and asking them "what does from the river to the sea mean" .. and they haven't a clue!! Not a clue.
On the other hand, they think that Israel shouldn't exist or should be subject to bizarre set of rules that no other country on earth has to abide by. This is antizionism which is basically antisemitism.
Oh, what a horror happened there, Yael. Humans can be so cruel to each other and why? There is no excuse for such behavior. I hope for safety and peace for you all.
I could not watch the video to the end, maybe I will try again later. But it is not necessary, I know that all these atrocities happened. I will never understand how anybody can see this as a "fight for freedom by the oppressed Palestinians". I think of you every day and pray for your safety and your country. Hilde in Germany
Thank you Hilde. Even I have already seen parts of the film and know some of the people, I could not watch it in one go. But this is an important video to watch
I only watched the 52 second clip, any more would have been too upsetting. It amazes me that my fellow humans can behave like this. I did hear that they'd all been fed drugs before the raid.
These were not only Hamas people, there were also ordinary citizens from Gaza, they all entered the houses, raped, robbed, and burned the houses with the people inside. And of course they took babies and children captive with them.
How can a human be so cruel to another. The pain and suffering they inflicted is unbelievable. It was very hard to watch. Thank goodness some women are safe to tell the story. But my heart d, how they suffered and others are still trapped.Horrific
Yael, Most blogs I've read the blogger is blissfully ignorant and prefers to stay that way. I have no doubt Oct. 7th happened. I'm sorry I'm not able to watch disturbing videos like that.
Hamas is the ally of Hezbollah who attacked the Marine Peacekeeper Barracks in Lebanon on October 23, 1983. U.S. Marines know exactly who Israel is fighting against. We've also fought them often over the last 60 years.
Thankyou Yael for posting this. There's a lot of us out there NOT chanting or waving Palestinian flags. An acquaintance told me the other day that one of her sons was a full time protester! I think there's a lot of them. It's like a club that they belong to. In the meantime, everybody in Australia has trouble getting staff! No one seems to want to work but they have a lot of opinions.
I am glad that you have made this available on here Yael. although I cannot bring myself to watch it. I was 5 years old when WW2 ended amd I had young friends who were refugees, they had been in the resistence and shared their own stories with me. I have a very good memory and I will never forget. Thankyou. Stay safe Yael. Kathy
Terra, Thank you, the truth is that the situation is quite scary, at least from what I see in the news from the world. I am very happy that there are also people like you. It gives hope.
We can love you and your country but should not avoid the difficult questions. We do not accept the massaker of Hamas but I cannot accept the useless killing of the Gaza people too. I heard an old Jew in Tel Aviv say how can we Jews do all this and he asked the World to stop Netanyahu. I agree with this old wise man. There are a lot of people supporting you and are just mourning for all humans. Marga
We had no choice, Marga(?),we were fighting for our life in a war we did not started and didn’t want. We all wish it didn’t happen. We are still in in a great danger.
Yael, Most Americans find what is happening on college campuses repugnant. These events are being orchestrated by a common outside source. Clearly Iran and Hamas are controlling the flow of information to the ignorant naïve misinformed students. The American Media, Professors, radical students are the pawns of the extremists. Israel has every right to protect its' citizens. There can be no cease fire until all the hostages are returned. There will be no lasting peace until the Palestinians renounce terrorism.
Yael there are lies published to defend the enemies of Israel, we that support you have to search for truthful news sources , I pray you are safe and take comfort in knowing many others around the world support and pray for you,too,Mary
The documentary was hard to watch and listen to. How anyone could deny these atrocities is beyond me. I wish those protesting would stop and think what Hamas really is doing.
If you look at blogland as a microcosm or mirror image of the world, you understand the whole story, people get partial information, don't give up prejudices, are sure they are right and refuse to see reality, and that's how it looks. There are few like you who understand the situation, unfortunately.
I will watch the video, but I haven't yet -- so I can't comment on that specifically. My impression is that the grave injustice done to Israel and the Israeli people has somehow been twisted into a tale of colonialism and even race, which many young people -- perhaps farther removed from the horrors of World War II and anti-semitism than we older folks -- have bought into. So now Israel is seen as a colonial and racial oppressor. It boggles my mind.
I do think Netanyahu has played into the hands of these interests by waging such an aggressive counteroffensive. But I don't see how anyone could deny the cruelty and horrors of Oct. 7, visited by Hamas upon innocent people.
Indeed Netanyahu is a bad prime minister and so is the entire current government that brought this disaster upon us, but still this wave of hatred towards us has deep roots even in the old generation. not only the young,
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ReplyDeleteI can't watch it.. I am anxious enough already. But thank you for doing the right thing.
ReplyDeleteThank you Hels, I understand why it's hard for you, it's ok, I know it's a very difficult time for you. Thinking of you and I wish I could ease your pain.
DeleteIt should be compulsory viewing.
ReplyDeleteSorry, that was not directed at Hels. We just happened to post around the same time.
DeleteIt's OK . I think like you Ellaine. Did you get to watch it?
DeleteI did, Yael. It was quite easy to find. I have never doubted what happened, but I know some people do. The video is very respectfully made and probably all the more impactful for that. I just don't understand the silence of so many people who should be outraged.
DeleteElaine, this video tells a lot but still not everything that happened here, it is impossible to contain it, it will take a long time, like with the stories of the holocaust, and we are still in the middle of it all. I also cannot understand the silence that exists about it, here in the blogs , you must have seen my arguments, people who pretend to be humanists, think it is right to ignore what happened to us, act out of great hypocrisy, sometimes out of ignorance and quite a bit of antisemitism.
ReplyDeleteI read a very small number of blogs, Yael. I really have no idea what has gone on in blogland. I do know right from wrong, and this was evil.
DeleteThank you anyway Elaine for your understanding.
DeleteAnyone who has experienced sexual violence knows from experience what this film is able to say with immense dignity and grief. It is nearly impossible to live through the experience of hatred in action or witness hatred in action and yet,
ReplyDelete"... Anyone who watches this film can bear witness and we can take that pain and take that trauma and turn it into hope, turn it into commitment, turn it into conviction that we are not going to let this happen again ..."
Refusing to live in fear. Grateful for your voice, Yael.
" ... like with the stories of the holocaust, and we are still in the middle of it all ..."
a.m. In the real world I can handle everything, I was in danger of my life here, and still am, but in the parallel universe, in Blogland, it is very difficult for me to accept the double standards, the falsified values, the hypocrisy and the anti-Semitism, I felt so much sorrow and pain precisely here in Blogland. How to turn all the suffering into something else, it's still too early. In the meantime, we just need some expressions of understanding and compassion, also towards us. You do it, and thank you.
ReplyDeleteHello Yeal.
ReplyDeleteThis is difficult to watch, I am half-way through it now...
Oct 7 was unalloyed Jew killing and systematic rape of women to humiliate. It's really comparable to the Nazis in its ideology and barbarism.
Today, there are efforts being made to make accusations about Hamas’ systematic rape on Oct 7 as though it were false or made-up. See Max Blumenthal of NYT = a truly illiterate man. This stands against the UN’s recent report on the subject which found evidence of lots of post-rape scenes but the victims were subsequently & systematically killed, hence no one survived to report the incidence.
I think we are seeing an "Oct 7 denialism" were the mass rapes are being treated as a "dispute" – despite widespread eyewitness accounts and confidential – which is part-and-parcel of the conspiracy trope that the Israeli military killed its own civilians. That, and to delegitimize the suffering and pain Israeli and foreign girls and woman endured on Oct 7.
Liam, I'm still trying to explain to myself what the mental mechanism is that allows people to ignore what happened here, someone here wrote to me in the comments when I tried to create some kind of conversation with her "You chose a side and I chose a side, and that's fine." This is how she tried to justify her ignoring of what happened here and the incessant slander of Israel. What is happening in the world now as a result of such attitudes is antisemitism on steroids. Mothers in blogland are proud of their daughters protesting at universities and shouting "from the river to the sea", what a terrible education.
DeleteYAel. I think the problem is either (1) ignorance of the conflict and/or (2) antisemitism.
DeletePeople have absolutely no knowledge about the Israel-Palestinian conflict. I was talking to someone the other day and they were telling me about the 1967 borders and yet the 1967 border didn't have a "Palestinian state". It was between Egypt and Jordan. They know nothing about Hamas and how they're driven by religious zeal as opposed to any anti-colonial leftwingism. I've seen youtube videos of people going up to protesters and asking them "what does from the river to the sea mean" .. and they haven't a clue!! Not a clue.
On the other hand, they think that Israel shouldn't exist or should be subject to bizarre set of rules that no other country on earth has to abide by. This is antizionism which is basically antisemitism.
Stay strong. Big hugs from London Yael. :)
Thank you Liam.
DeleteOh, what a horror happened there, Yael. Humans can be so cruel to each other and why? There is no excuse for such behavior. I hope for safety and peace for you all.
ReplyDeleteThank you Ellen, this is really something that is hard to explain, why such evil exists in the world.
ReplyDeleteI could not watch the video to the end, maybe I will try again later. But it is not necessary, I know that all these atrocities happened. I will never understand how anybody can see this as a "fight for freedom by the oppressed Palestinians".
ReplyDeleteI think of you every day and pray for your safety and your country.
Hilde in Germany
Thank you Hilde. Even I have already seen parts of the film and know some of the people, I could not watch it in one go. But this is an important video to watch
DeleteI only watched the 52 second clip, any more would have been too upsetting. It amazes me that my fellow humans can behave like this. I did hear that they'd all been fed drugs before the raid.
ReplyDeleteThese were not only Hamas people, there were also ordinary citizens from Gaza, they all entered the houses, raped, robbed, and burned the houses with the people inside. And of course they took babies and children captive with them.
ReplyDeleteHow can a human be so cruel to another. The pain and suffering they inflicted is unbelievable. It was very hard to watch. Thank goodness some women are safe to tell the story. But my heart d, how they suffered and others are still trapped.Horrific
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, this is the case and it is only part of the whole story.
DeleteYael, Most blogs I've read the blogger is blissfully ignorant and prefers to stay that way. I have no doubt Oct. 7th happened. I'm sorry I'm not able to watch disturbing videos like that.
ReplyDeleteHamas is the ally of Hezbollah who attacked the Marine Peacekeeper Barracks in Lebanon on October 23, 1983.
U.S. Marines know exactly who Israel is fighting against. We've also fought them often over the last 60 years.
And there are still quite a few people in the world who do not understand the real danger.
DeleteSorry Becki , I deleted your comment, my soul can’t take any criticism now.may be another time.Yael
ReplyDeleteThankyou Yael for posting this. There's a lot of us out there NOT chanting or waving Palestinian flags. An acquaintance told me the other day that one of her sons was a full time protester! I think there's a lot of them. It's like a club that they belong to. In the meantime, everybody in Australia has trouble getting staff! No one seems to want to work but they have a lot of opinions.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Judy that there are many more good people like you. That's what gives hope.
DeleteI am glad that you have made this available on here Yael. although I cannot bring myself to watch it.
ReplyDeleteI was 5 years old when WW2 ended amd I had young friends who were refugees, they had been in the resistence and shared their own stories with me. I have a very good memory and I will never forget.
Thankyou.
Stay safe Yael.
Kathy
Thank you Kathy.
DeleteMany of us here in the USA and worldwide love you and your country. Stay safe.
ReplyDeleteTerra, Thank you, the truth is that the situation is quite scary, at least from what I see in the news from the world. I am very happy that there are also people like you. It gives hope.
DeleteWe can love you and your country but should not avoid the difficult questions. We do not accept the massaker of Hamas but I cannot accept the useless killing of the Gaza people too. I heard an old Jew in Tel Aviv say how can we Jews do all this and he asked the World to stop Netanyahu. I agree with this old wise man. There are a lot of people supporting you and are just mourning for all humans.
DeleteMarga
We had no choice, Marga(?),we were fighting for our life in a war we did not started and didn’t want. We all wish it didn’t happen. We are still in in a great danger.
ReplyDeleteYael.
ReplyDeleteYael, Most Americans find what is happening on college campuses repugnant. These events are being orchestrated by a common outside source. Clearly Iran and Hamas are controlling the flow of information to the ignorant naïve misinformed students. The American Media, Professors, radical students are the pawns of the extremists. Israel has every right to protect its' citizens. There can be no cease fire until all the hostages are returned. There will be no lasting peace until the Palestinians renounce terrorism.
ReplyDeleteJack, I always wonder what these people would think and how they would act if our reality here was theirs.
DeleteAs an American, I totally agree. Prayers will continue for Israel! <3
DeleteYael there are lies published to defend the enemies of Israel, we that support you have to search for truthful news sources , I pray you are safe and take comfort in knowing many others around the world support and pray for you,too,Mary
ReplyDeleteWhat about the hostages?
ReplyDeleteWhy are you waiting for an answer. We know nothing about the hostages.
DeleteThe documentary was hard to watch and listen to. How anyone could deny these atrocities is beyond me. I wish those protesting would stop and think what Hamas really is doing.
ReplyDeleteIf you look at blogland as a microcosm or mirror image of the world, you understand the whole story, people get partial information, don't give up prejudices, are sure they are right and refuse to see reality, and that's how it looks. There are few like you who understand the situation, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteI will watch the video, but I haven't yet -- so I can't comment on that specifically. My impression is that the grave injustice done to Israel and the Israeli people has somehow been twisted into a tale of colonialism and even race, which many young people -- perhaps farther removed from the horrors of World War II and anti-semitism than we older folks -- have bought into. So now Israel is seen as a colonial and racial oppressor. It boggles my mind.
ReplyDeleteI do think Netanyahu has played into the hands of these interests by waging such an aggressive counteroffensive. But I don't see how anyone could deny the cruelty and horrors of Oct. 7, visited by Hamas upon innocent people.
Indeed Netanyahu is a bad prime minister and so is the entire current government that brought this disaster upon us, but still this wave of hatred towards us has deep roots even in the old generation. not only the young,
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